Curse

rezha · Jan 07, 2008, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Problem:

Hall of heroes, the last heroe's ascent map, is a 1vs1vs1 map with 3 game modes. I'm here to state that all those modes have a deep problem, that i will name "ganking". Fondamentally ganking means that the most losing team (call it team C) of the 3 can easily, too easily, choose the winning team between the first 2 (call them A and B).

Game Mode 1
"Capture the Relic is the Guild Wars version of the capture the flag type of PvP game. It is featured in the Global Tournament. Each team, on their own side of the map, has a Ghostly Hero (who will not move or follow players), a relic, and resurrection shrine. The goal of the game is to pick up the enemy's relic and take it back to your own Ghostly Hero to score points while preventing the enemy from doing the same. Players and Ghostly Heroes respawn every two minutes. Capture the relic maps have a ten minute time limit. The last team to capture a relic will have a star next to their score."

Here the ganking occur around 1 minute from the end. If a team is losing by 2 or more point (call it team C), that team just select one among A and B and gank it. With 2 team on you, even if they are the most noob in the world, you lose.

Game Mode 2
"In King of the hill, also called altar battles matches two or three teams fight for control of the hill. The hill is a circular altar at the center of the map. The winning objective is to hold the center when time runs out after 4 minutes.
To capture the altar, lead the Ghostly Hero there. He will use a skill called Claim Resource to capture the altar. The altar can not be captured while an enemy Ghostly hero that holds it is still alive."

Same as before. usually at 4-3 minutes from the end, and almost never after 2, one team is clearly losing. Some fair play teams just resign, the majority just gank one of the others.

Game mode 3
"Capture Points is a battle on certain maps of the Global Tournament that consists of either several points that can be captured on the map. The capturing method is the same as Alliance Battles, in that you must have more of your own than there are of the enemy to capture the point. When capturing shrines, remember that the Ghostly Hero counts as four players so a common strategy is send one player off the with him to expedite capping."

Super easy. If you're down 5 points, you lost, go in one of the other team bases and shout in chat "red cap our base". It's done, you ganked.

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Recap of the problem.
The wrost team can easly decide who will be the winner among the other two. This problem is due to the fact that the average gw player doesn't play fair. Our players prefer to make another team lose 'cause they think that build is lame or cause they beat them in underworld yesterday.
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Why it's annoying:
Alliances always gank the third team.
The best team not always win.
It gives way to lot of insults and bad behaviour in game.
It makes ppl angry, it's a game, i see enough injustice in the real world, i would like to see some fairplay here, if nowhere else, and i would like to see it enforced bacause it's obvious we won't see it in other ways.
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Solution.
A full solution would be to change the whole halls thing. I would really like a quick 1vs1 hoh, maybe with multiple modes. But we all understand that gw made your money and we are not going to see big improvement. so i propose a quick solution. Just kick out of the game any team that can be reasonably considered a loser. In king of the hill for example, a team make at most one point every 30 seconds. If you're down 4 point at 1:59, why should you stay? The game should just kick you. Same for the capture points, let's say you can have on average 2 points every 30 secs (it could be more, could be 4, but it's impossible to get four and impossible to get 3 if another team isn't collaborating), if a team is down 6 points at 3 minuts, kick it out. Relic run? You can take one relic every 25 secs on average, if a team is too much down, it has lost. It's not difficul to implement developers, isn't it?
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My english is poor and probably some concepts are not well explained. Feedback, questions and suggestions are well accepted.

Unholy Tank V · Jan 07, 2008, 01:41 AM // 01:41

If you can't deal with competition get out of HA

Count to Potato · Jan 07, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

i agree its a problem, sometimes ganks come from prior matches and grudges where the losing team was able to skip back into HoH and have revenge on their team, sometimes a team ganks u and u feel the need to gank back in the next meeting, but what are u going to do? thats human nature

Div · Jan 07, 2008, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by rezha

Solution.
A full solution would be to change the whole halls thing. I would really like a quick 1vs1 hoh, maybe with multiple modes.

1v1's are extremely boring, and though I'd love this to be implemented so that the best team can win, it's not going to happen with the design of HA.

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In king of the hill for example, a team make at most one point every 30 seconds. If you're down 4 point at 1:59, why should you stay? The game should just kick you. Same for the capture points, let's say you can have on average 2 points every 30 secs (it could be more, could be 4, but it's impossible to get four and impossible to get 3 if another team isn't collaborating), if a team is down 6 points at 3 minuts, kick it out. Relic run? You can take one relic every 25 secs on average, if a team is too much down, it has lost. It's not difficul to implement developers, isn't it?

Teams are still going to gank, and a team down 6 points can easily still catch up in 3 minutes. Automatically kicking them from the game is highly unfair. The altar holding one could work, but other ones have to be definitive to kick (like being down 9+ points with less than one minute left). HA was poorly designed from the start, and it'll be hard to fix.

guildwars101 · Jan 07, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

lol thats the point of this HA thing how bout this you gain respect in the HA community so you rarely get ganked...cuz everyone respects and/or is afraid of you

put it this way...its part of the game and yes it may suck sometimes but it can also become your advantage..idk how to put it...its part of the game...get used to it cuz it makes HA more competable

Div · Jan 07, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by guildwars101

lol thats the point of this HA thing how bout this you gain respect in the HA community so you rarely get ganked...cuz everyone respects and/or is afraid of you

put it this way...its part of the game and yes it may suck sometimes but it can also become your advantage..idk how to put it...its part of the game...get used to it cuz it makes HA more competable

No, you get ganked if you hold a lot, or sometimes simply because the other team is retarded.

Winterclaw · Jan 07, 2008, 03:18 AM // 03:18

I think it's called playing the spoiler in the sports world and it's a perfectly valid way of acting if you ask me.

Lykan · Jan 07, 2008, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Dont play lame builds and dont make enemies.

Tyla · Jan 07, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

It happens.
Three teams playing, someone is bound to get ganked.

Orange Milk · Jan 07, 2008, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Alliances always gank the third team

LMAO, well no shit, they are allies. How often do we here in the USA attack Canada?

Playing spoiler is what people do, if your not going to win, neither is your enemy. Ya ever leave the house and watch sports? If an NFL team is 0-12 they don't get kicked out of the rest of the seaon becuase they can't make the playoffs, they go out and try to play spoiler with the mentality that "If we are not making the playoffs, neither are the last 4 teams we face."

Sab, you got a winner here.

Kanyatta · Jan 08, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

This is very unfair, because the team that wins is not always the better team. If anyone on Team C is friends with anyone on Team B, and Team C is down, they will always make a last stand and try to gank Team A, and 2v1, even if Team C is very crippled, it will be very hard for Team A to win, even if they are better than Team B, because, 16v8 is just too much pressure.

/signed, except for on the conditions holymasume suggested

rezha · Jan 08, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by Unholy Tank V

If you can't deal with competition get out of HA

The typical 12 years old answer, thank you.

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The altar holding one could work, but other ones have to be definitive to kick (like being down 9+ points with less than one minute left). HA was poorly designed from the start, and it'll be hard to fix.

What do you mean by altar holding? Anyway while in some cases a team could not be mathematically out of the game, common sense will apply (it's so unlikely you get 4 points every 30 secs in capture points, getting 2 means you're doing good, getting 3 means other teams are ganking and being ganked).

Ha was badly designed but it changed a lot over the course of the years. Think the improvement we had since the 6 team all vs all map